Kelly Brogan: Restoring Blunted Consciousness (E17)

Kelly Brogan is a psychiatrist who made a radical break with pharma-centered orthodoxy to pursue holistic approaches to mental health, with extraordinary results. We recorded a conversation that started with psychiatric drugs and visited many perennial topics: working inside versus outside the system; the importance of community, the blunting of consciousness in our society and the power of grief to restore it; and the recovery of our power as agents of planetary change. I hope you enjoy this deep and playful conversation as much as I did.

Note: Here is the link to Kelly's online program for anyone who is intrigued by what Kelly shares about it in this conversation.


  1. Maybe I’m missing something, but the audio file seems to be just a 30 second introduction to this series of conversations. Is it possible the wrong file was uploaded?

  2. Hi Charles!!!! Love you and what you do so very much, thank you! I was actually going to share this on fbook, but then realized there is no interview?!?! Looking forward to this conversation, thanks!

    With love and Light,


  3. For everyone who tried to listen but couldn’t, the Soundcloud file appears to have been corrupted, so I uploaded a new file. It should work now. If it doesn’t, clear your cache and try again. Thanks for your patience!

  4. Thank you for continuing to preach to the choir, Charles and Kelly! You sometimes worry about saying the same old tired message, but it’s something I need to return to again and again.

  5. Hello Charles and Kelly,

    First, a technical note: The interview just plain quit about 3/4 of the way through and I haven’t found a way to get back to it without starting at the beginning.

    That aside, I’m fully embedded with this conversation! Kelly, you mentioned kundalini and yoga so you may already be in touch with my friend Ken Porter, also a NYC psychiatrist, who dropped his prescription pad years ago and has pursued The Diamond Approach, Kundalini and more. I haven’t spoken with him in years so don’t know what he’s up to these days. We were once a part of a still functioning organization called the Association for Psychology and Spirituality, also in NYC.

    I was never able to stomach the medical model approach and was too depressed (bipolar diagnosis) to jump through the hoops anyway. Fortunately I was saved by Zen and my own relentless quest toward sanity. Now I practice part time as a psycho-spiritual counselor and coach with the Rondout Valley Holistic Health Community here in Ulster County, NY. We invite you to visit anytime!

    Thank you both for your courageous and inspirational leadership as we create together the blessing of this New Story!

  6. Remarkable. After years of being a MH professional, I struggled with over medication of my clients – or even medication at all. After Meeting Michael White, Australia and David Epston of New Zealand, I learned their so called Narrative Therapy and turned the page with how to help folks that a came to me. This podcast validated much of what I am doing so I have a smile on my face and am grateful to my friend that helped me find it.

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