Joanna Harcourt-Smith is a fascinating woman whose life story spans her origins in Europe's power elite to a marriage to Timothy Leary. Our conversation spans questions like, "What has to happen for hate to turn to love?" I'd say that is the underlying theme of the conversation, which touches on politics, despair, race and class, and the idea of "being useful." Also I think this recording conveys her extraordinary energy and presence, her tremendous zest for life and acceptance of what is. Joanna is a true elder.